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say there is nothing new in those leaked documents,raw, unanalyzed field intelligence but the pentagon has launched its own criminal investigation unit to track down the source. we know just how the thousands of pages got to major news organizations around the world. the self-described whistle blowing website, wicky los angeles, and its founder, sometimes called the robin hood of hacking. i talked to julian assange today from london about just what many a sue a misguided mission. >> for us it is business as usual, we are a source protection organization specializing in protecting confidential sources from information, getting it out to the public and making [ inaudible ] but that said, we can look at the information, what is the human rights or policy significance it has? this is an i have a california of 91,000 documents about the
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war, not just any documents, but documents that supply which military unit was involved, where the action occurred, when it occurred. it is, in fact, the raw ingredient the pentagon uses to monitor the progress of the war. >> to that very point it is raw intelligence. senator john kerry, formerly an anti-war critic of course said this is not pentagon papers it is raw data and with all this raw intelligence, a lot that agencies accurate, a lot that's not accurate it is just a vacuum cleaner approach. does that concern you at all, assuming it concerns the
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officials in washington? >> whenever you are releasing material exposing embarrassing actions or abuses of crimes by an organization, there is always an attempt to down play or distract from the message. we believe in fact, that the strength of this material is from people on the ground. it was lodged and filed before there was a chance to massage this information at a sort of higher, more political level. when we look at analysis of course, no reason to believe that analysis is more accurate. in fact there is good reason to believe that analysis tends to be less accurate because it is further removed from the base evidence. what heave here is a compendium of 91,000 reports on the events that intern lit u.s. military
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considered significant. >> robert gibbs at the white house and others at the pentagon, robert gates, have said this has the potential to harm u.s. service people. does that concern you? >> well, anything in theory has boat tension to harm anything else but we have looked that the material for some months now together with our media partners. we have taken some steps to understand that material is at least seven months ago, so, it is -- it is not of any sort of a tactical significance. our primary concern with people being potentially harmed was to do with afghan informants who could have been under the risk of retribution action. that is why we held back some 15,000 reports for a more detailed review. >> there is a lot of questions your view toward the war.
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you were quoted saying you enjoyed crushing bastards. is that an accurate reflection of your attitude toward the establishment, toward the people running the war, toward the u.s. government? >> well, wikileaks is a publication by the sunshine press. we are an organization of many people. i am the editor-in-chief of wikileaks. so, what was being quoted was a personal profile of me. and like many journalists, i enjoy intellectual combat but i don't enjoy exposing the powerle powerless, i don't enjoy exposition the innocent. i enjoy exposing people who abuse the powerless and the innocent. and many police officers, author of that same position, we respond to victims and we set about to bring justice to them and their families. >> mr. assange, i'm intrigued by
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the relationship between you and the traditional nonadvocacy media here, because you work in a space that you have created on your own but you have worked through times you were giving to the guardian to other news -- traditional -- more traditional news organizations. how do you see that relationship? nch>> i wouldn't say traditionai would say established news organizations. started with with going 3 1/2 or 4 years of our publishing efforts and areas of the world that we thought needed some protection, which is the sources using the latest technical and legal means. now in this coalition we put together involving the guardian, the "new york times" together with our own staff, we are seeing not only a very good and
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effective collaboration on this matter, but everyone keeping each other honest, you know, this wasn't the case where one media organization had it and decided to take its own political angle and go off and pick a few cherries from this whistle-blower or whistleblowers' disclosure. rather, this was u.s. press, "new york times" coming from this particular angle, the guardian, the most prestigious paper in the uk coming from this angle, the great german weekly magazine and us coming from a transparency and disclosure angle trying to get this honest. that said, across all the journalists engaged in this research, we are probably read
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in detail only 2,000 of the reports of the 91,000 what we really need now is other journalists from different countries and for u.s. servicemen involved in these procedures to read and understand the material. over the coming days, we will release the system we used internally across three of those media organizations to mine through this data and understand it and we want those people who are in the best position to understand what went on to try to explain to us in the community what these events were really about, not just the abusive events that occurred from the u.s. military but the attacks by the taliban and the ieds that killed civilians, calculated that some 2,000 civilians have been killed between 2004 and 2010 by ieds as
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represented in this material. >> what can you tell us about bradley manning, because a lot of speculation is now centered on him. he has already been targeted and accused of a previous leak to you and there is growing speculation that he was behind this. >> well we don't know who our sources are generally, it is very rare. our system is set up to conceal, even from us, the identities -- >> but you are certainly aware of the service member -- of the service member who, in fact is in prison because of a previous leak to you? >> yes. in fact, it appears on the surface that bradley manning is the most significant political prisoner that the united states had, 22-year-old intelligence analyst. he was in baghdad, shipped to
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kuwait when an allegation emerged that he was the source behind our collateral video, the video which exposed the shootings of two reuters journalists and between aiding 16 and 24 other people in baghdad in 2007. his case deserves to be watched an deserves scrutiny. why isn't bradley manning on the continental territory of the united states? is bradley manning effectively like a guantanamo detainee, a soldier shipped to a third country away from effective legal support and away from effective press representation? >> what would you want the outcome of this leak to be? is your agenda to be against the war and do you want to create the pressure for u.s. officials, members of congress, the american public to take a closer look at the war strategy? >> what we want from this is
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justice and understanding. before justice can come, understanding must come and that means people should not just be going from what their initial biases and presumptions are about the war in afghanistan, either on the left or the right. rather they should be looking at this material and understanding what is actually happening on the ground? how is this war going on? how is it harmful and what are the good aspects of the target? actually seeing many. >> what do you say to those in the white house and pentagon and some on the hill who say that this is old information not really terribly revealing in full, and that it's -- basically violates important intelligence and secrecy provisions that are needed to protect u.s. troops? >> yeah. well, you can't have it both ways. the information is either relevant or it is not relevant.
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in fact it is seven months old, just removes it from being any sort of tactical relevance to a threat to some tactical operation, but it is relevant to the ongoing course of the war. there was a little bit of an attempt to spin this issue by saying the word defender without saying the date from the white house. owe bam in's new policy came in the first, but this material doesn't end until december 31st we can actually see in theory we should be able to see what sort of changes this speed innishly on the ground by the introduction of that policy. that said, i do not expect to see really much difference, even if we had this past seven months of data as a result of the new policies introduced by obama. the new policies are not that significant and when we look back at the previous six years
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and all the other policy introductions, for example, policibility throw duckses that accompany the command of general mcchrystal, we don't see a significant shift in the day-to-day behavior of american forces or the day to day behavior of the rebels in afghanistan. >> the president has now said he is concern about the leaks but there is no "new information" in it. do you want to respond to that? >> this is like -- we all know that government is frequently corrupt, that it is one thing to have that kind of statement and it is another thing to know the precise names, times and locations where corrupt activity occurred. that's what we have in this compendium. we have evidence of abuses by the united states military or
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failed policies by the united states military and of abuses by other forces in involved, failed tactics, we have all that there. it is the most significant history of a war to have ever been released during a war by a time where it can make some difference and shape policy outcomes. >> do you worry about your own safety? do you worry about criminal prosecution and about officials coming after you right there in london? >> well, we are not fools in this business, we have been publishing for four years. we have had serious encounters in developed nations, we are banned by the chinese, by the iranians, by the thailand. so, we take effective security precautions. we understand the risks of surveillance and legal action. we have managed to win every lawsuit or legal case that we
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have. that said, in the past few months, i have received advice from the national security reporters and such to be cautious and exercise caution. there were statements coming out privately from the u.s. administration a month ago that were a bit concerning. however, it seem that is wiser heads with the united states have prevail and they understand that this is a press matter and it would be politically foolish and indeed wrong to the united states to go after this information sorely, it organization in a way that did not obey the rule of law. >> julian assange, thank you very much for joining us. . thank you. and coming here next, congresswoman jane harmon, the war, the documents, the war strategy in afghanistan this is "andrea mitch reports" only on msnbc. r progressive has
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i'm concerned about the disclosure of sensitive information from the battlefield that could potentially jeopardize individuals or operations, the fact is these documents don't he reveal any issues that haven't already informed our public debit on afghanistan. >> the release of classified military documents is increasing the pressure on the president to defend his war strategy. also gives liberal democrats new ammunition to defeat today's house vote on the war supplemental bill. joining me now, congresswoman jane harman, chairs the intelligence subcommittee of homeland security. congresswoman, thanks very much. there is a lot to unpack here. let's talk first of all on the vote on the house floor, war
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supplemental. one member doesn't support the war because he doesn't think it has been explained a cat withly. >> i think we need a new debate on the course of this war with and i felt that for a long time, not connected to this new wikileaks feeding frenzy. i feel that because the surge in troops, at least in my view, i don't believe will -- the expansion of our military footprint will make us safer there and i also believe that in an era of constrained resources, obviously, no one is missing joblessness and the exploding debt and deficits that we cannot sustain $100 billion or more spent on afghanistan only when yemen and other places just recently this bombing in uganda also posed a threat to our security. so i have concerns. this supplemental vote, however,
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i have decided is not where i'm going to express those concerns. i voted a few weeks ago for the mcgovern amendment to ritter administration to promote an exit strategy for our military mission in afghanistan and i think they need to do that but today, we are providing needed funding for troops already in harm's way and i have to send a signal to our brave troops that i support them regardless of whether i think we need a full and robust debate, which i do think on our mission going forward in afghanistan. >> thou they thought they had some time they bought some time, frankly, with the appointment of general petraeus and they had time until december to review the war strategy. is there now going to be growing pressure somebody from the senate side in the last 24 hours, growing pressure to have more -- hear more from the president and from his advise betters war an strategy between now and december? >> i think so let's remember, there's a political election in
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november and every member of the house and a third of the senate are up for re-election and we have to explain our own views on trying to do that on the show and obviously in my own district. but i think this subject is hot and i think the president is going to have to say more. i don't think this recent set of leaks added a lot of new information, but it has strained our relationship with pakistan yet again. i'm not defending the actions of the pakistani intelligence service going backward, but presently, the current head of the intelligence service, a man named ahmed pasha, a man i have met on several occasion and i think they are working with us, not hedging their bets. i think what's critical to do is to assure pakistan that we are a reliable partner there we will help them curb terrorism in their own country and that we want to reduce the threat they perceive from india by working on pakistani/indian relationships to calm down the
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tensions there. the existential threats to pakistan, they believe, is india. and that's why they worry about afghanistan. they think if we leave, the indians will come in and take over that country and then they will be surrounded. obviously, i don't believe that for a second but we have to address the real concerns over our partners and we have to understand that pakistan has 60 to 100 current nuclear weapons and it is absolutely critical that we keep that country stable and that's where al qaeda s it is not in afghanistan. >> mike mullin in baghdad very briefly today said that he thinks that u.s. troops are endangered by these los angeles. you share the same concerns, whether it is new information, does this process endanger u.s. troop? >> i think there are two separate issues. one is how is the war going in afghanistan and my answer to that is not as well as we hoped, notwithstanding the enormous talent of david petraeus and jim mattis and others who are working with on this problem, but the second question is
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leaking information acceptable? and my answer to that is no. there is no reason to believe that this administration is covering up information. that's number one. number two i would say that this raw information is not particularly reliable. i have spent years trying to understand intelligence and analysis discard a lot of raw data because the context suspect there and these are just reports front field, but the third thing is, and we have downloaded some of the wikileaks information in my office, it is the names of people who currently serve in our military in our state department, the names of afghans who are sources and their villages and this is creating an obvious new enemies list for the taliban and endangering u.s. personnel. and in that sense, mike mullin is 100% right. >> jane harman, thank you very much. thanks for joining the conversation today. >> thank you. and coming up next, how the gulf coast governors are benefiting politically from the bp oil spill. what's that about? plus what does bp's new man
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as residents of the gulf try to cope with the continuing disaster, governors of the affected states try to rise to the challenge. jonathan martin join us now from politico. hey, jonathan, let's talk about a couple of these governors. first of all, governor crist, tough re-election fight, a three-way race. >> right. and he seems to have been really benefiting, andrea, from. this he changed parties, of course, back in -- back in may and a lot of folks thought we have a real uphill fight. here he is now leading in the polls in that three-way race. now, that's partially because he has moved to the left and democrats haven't really settled on a candidate. he has become, in some ways, the de facto democratic nominee. but it is also because of what the pros call media, every day he is out there leading local newscasts, front page of the papers in florida on the beach,
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walking around with president obama when the president is down there, seen as the on-the-scene kind of governor, overseeing the spill. you are showing a clip right now, a great example. walking up and down that white beach every day. it really helps. >> and what about bobby jindal, who also was very proactive in defending the interests and being seen as defending the interests of his residents, his constituents against bp innish labor day the federal government? >> he was popular to start w i think this still hasn't really boosted his own standing back home, andrea. he has been very, very visible, like you said, in the gulf every day, similar to governor crist. there was a story in the front page of the times picayune down in new orleans a few days ago, incredible front page piece, talking about how he had really sort of helped his standing with voters. he is up for re-election next year in 2011 it is going to be a pretty strong candidate in part
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because of what he has done after the spill. >> and briefly, haley barbour, who could be appointed thing kink of mississippi after hurricane katrina and after this bill. >> the three, he may have the most to gain here, andrea. his image, especially in washington, this political insider, this history of k street lobbyists. his image changed a bit because of katrina and this spill, folks think of him as a disaster governor, crisis governor, taking on two really tough issues during his time as governor and handled them quite well. >> all right, jonathan martin, great to see you. thanks so much. >> thank you, andrea. up next why experts say cloning up the damage from the oil spill isn't enough. >> plus, maryland congressman cummings weighing month tax cuts. send me your thoughts, find me on twitter at mitchell reports. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. weake th. ♪ we make them tougher.
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president obama wrapped up his meeting with leaders today, leaders of both parties. john boehner planned to tell the president at that meeting that letting the bush tax cuts expire would mean tax increases across the board for americans. maryland congressman eliza cummings joins us. you have a different point of view, i suspect. >> first of all, good afternoon, andrea. i do have a different point of view. andrea, this is like somebody that goes to a store wanting to use a coupon that has expired. the fact is that these tax -- taxes cuts were to expire very shortly and that's what this is all about. we have to -- we are only talking about 2 to 3% of the population of the united states. and so, it does not make sure that the 95% of the people, i dare, some like 2 to 3% at the
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very top, we don't -- we do definitely want these rates to expire. >> what do you say to those the economy so fragile, the recovery potentially some would say going into a double dip, recession, but in any case, just teetering on the edge there that you should simply not repeal any -- rather should reinstate the tax cuts for everyone, include you can the top earners. >> well, you hear these arguments, andrea, but let's keep in mind, small businesses and that's what they are talking about are defined as 500 people to 1,000 employees. and 91%, 91% of the small businesses would not even be affected by what i'm talking about. so, they are talking about a -- some small businesses but the fact is that as we have seen in the past, where you have your situations, the businesses still go out and they create new
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opportunity because they know that when they greet those new opportunities there will be tax breaks up, not taxed up front, they will be taxed later. again, i don't buy that argument. we have -- everybody keeps saying that it's about trickle down economic. and sadly, the trickle seems to never go anywhere. >> would you support a compromise where you try to come one the money to pay for these tax increases, tax cuts to be extended? >> well, i think that we are going to have to look at everything. but again, i think that you know exat some point, the people who are making the most money and who have benefitted from our society and done extremely well need to help us get out of this jam that we find ourselves in and so i think we need to look at various options but the bottom line is that we are going to have to find some way to end these tax cuts.
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and talk about -- talk about doing it over a course of time and that may be a possibility and i think the leadership is going to have to work with the president to figure out how best to address that. >> i want to ask about one of your colleagues under fire, of course, charlie rangel. he acknowledged today that there are conversations going on lawyers and members of the committee, ethics committee, compromise, apology that might get him off the book hook and prevent the public trial. would to be wise for this kind of compromise to be worked out? would that be in everyone's benefit? >> i think charlie rangel has to make that decision for himself but he is truly loved by i think members of congress on both sides and well respected. i think he is going to have to make that decision. one of the things you well know there are a number of members certainly concerned about seeing a trial come up at eleeks time,
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they don't want to see that at the same time, respect mr. rangel. i believe he will make the right decision. one of the things i know about him, he cares about this institution and he truly cares about a woman he respects tremendously, as i do, speaker nancy pell lows cism and so, i have no doubt that he will make the right decision and hopefully it will be a win/win, not only for him but for the house. >> well, sounds like you're suggesting that that would be some sort of acknowledgment of wrongdoing, some way to get him off and get his colleagues off the edge of public hearing, public "trial" which -- the inns tuchlgs. >> andrea, i cannot -- i can certainly not speak for mr. rangel, i don't have all the details of what -- >> understood. >> as a lawyer, i can tell that you i have not a clue of what is going on between his lawyers and folks, the powers that be, but again, i emphasize, i have talked to mr. rangel on a number of occasions and he loves this institution, wasn't to serve. he served well and he wants to continue to do that i'm sure.
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so, we just have to wait and see. >> thank you very much. always good to see you. thanks so much, congressman. >> my pleasure. also in the headlines today, a sailor who went missing in afghanistan this past weekend was kill, will be returned to do every air force base tonight in solemn ceremony. the pentagon confirms he is 30-year-old justin mcnailly, a father of two from arizona. the search continues for the other sailor who disappeared with mcnally. just hours, of course, hours later, the whole question was what did the taliban do and how do they get these two sailers? meanwhile, hours after bp reported a record quarterly loss, the company's top executives spoke out. bob dudley will take over from tony hayward as ceo in october, told cnbc's maria bartiromo that the company is cooperating fully with the government. >> i think we are doing the things that the administration has asked us to do, we haven't always done it as fast as they would like to but we are -- our cooperation coast-to-coast is
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very good and i think these are the things that the americans should reck nichlz. >> the new public face of bp. meanwhile, bp's chairman also spoke to cnbc, explaining that the ousting of ceo tony hayward had a lot -- >> became obvious to him and to us that in order to rebuild that position, in order to build the reputation, we needed fresh leadership and that is why we are going with the change. greenpeace activists claim to have shut down nearly 50 bp gas stations in london by activating the fireman's emergency cutoff switch to the pump. bp says only 15 were affected by that protest. the company calls it an act of vandalism. it is now day 99 of the gulf oil disaster. scientists say that cleaning up the spill is not enough to save the gulf's fragile ecosystem. rowen jacobson is a senior scientist with the nature conservancy, just back from the gulf and joins us now from burlington, vermont, also now,
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of course the author of the book "the living shore, rediscould have earring lost world" and a forthcoming book "a shad on the gulf," mr. jacobson, thanks so much for joining us. you have looked now firsthand at the disaster down in the gulf. what are your chief concerns? what do you think needs to be done? >> well, what strikes me, andrea, is that we are working so hard to clean up these -- all these areas along the coastline, yet even if we do a great job and completely clean those areas, the marshes and the wetlands, they are still going to disappear within the next 20 years because of the erosion process that has been going on in louisiana. >> you have written about this had an op ed in the "new york times," cleaning up the spill will not be sufficient, that federal, state and local governments have written many plans for restoration of the gulf, beginning before hurricane katrina but none were intended to do more than the low is losses, we should get off the defenses and come up with a winning vision of coastal
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restoration. what do you see as your ideal approach to this? . >> the key in louisiana is the levee system in the mississippi river presents the mississippi floodwaters from spreading sediment out through the marches and that's what continuously building up those marches and keeps them from falling off into the sea, but now, because of the levee system, all that sediment goes into the deep waters of the gulf, so the entire southern third of louisiana is sinking without that sediment what we need to do is re-engineer diversions in the mississippi river to get that sediment become out into the southern part of the state and we need to do it fast there's been, like you say, a lot of plans that have been written but the political and economic oil just hasn't been there to take to the level that's necessary. >> you went out with a cajun oysterman on a boat, you are just back from the coast. what was that experience like? what did you see? >> it was kind of surreal, to me this is a man, he is 52 years
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old, he has been an oysterman all his life. he lives on eye land calledism sle de jon charles, sinking into the sea so quickly that now, all the electrical poles going to the island are in the water. 15 years ago, they were on land. that's amazing. >> yeah. we tend to think of these things as happening in geological time bus this is happening in our -- like, before our very eyes, practically. there's people who move away come back 10, 15 years later, trees they used to sit under are gone, are dead. anyway, this man, virgil darden is his name, i went out on an oil patrol boat with him, had his oystering days are over, he hired on with the crew doing oil spill response and he is actually pretty happy about it strangely, a lot easier money than oystering ever was, he knows he can't go become to oystering, i asked him what he is going to do now?
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he said he will stick with the oil spill response stuff and just go wherever the next spill is. to me, that's pretty striking, if our economy in that area is going from one based on kind of the living sea to oil spill response. >> what an awful metaphor for people living down there times are changing, short-term for the better, you think about the productivity and the larger vision of the gulf, as you are pointing out, rowen jacobson, thank you very much for bringing that experience to us. >> my pleasure. and up next, 2010, 2010 with the "washington post's" chris cillizza. and msnbc is now on sirius xm satellite radio, from morning squloe to our show, prime time to keith, rachelle and chris, sirius 90, xm 120. fancy feast appetizers. simple high quality ingredients
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are president obama's coattails shrinking? is that possible?
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democratic senate candidates in swing states like missouri, pennsylvania and ohio are growing increasingly concerned that the president's falling approval rating does drag them down this november. who better to ask than chris cillizza, managing editor of and author of the fix blog in person. across the table. >> when you request, i answer. >> what a treat. let's talk about these states because they are not requesting the president. >> no. you know, it is fascinating, andrea, a poll came out over the weekend, i know it is july, and everybody is outside, but this san important poll to pay attention to independent poll conducted by mason-dixon, the top line showed roy blunt leading the system leading robin carnahan, 46-42, not super surprising. in the numbers, 34% of the voters approve of the job president obama is doing. among independents, 29%. remember this is a state he lost, very, very narrowly, a couple thousand folks that kind of number has to be worrisome if you are a democrat running in indiana, running in west
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virginia, running in pennsylvania, running in ohio. those are very problematic, probably not going to want the president and not going to be want to be linked even to the president with those kind of numbers. >> and when you look also at the state of pennsylvania, that is another state he did not win. >> another state he did extremely well in in 2008. you would think, well, probably -- >> what i meant is he didn't win the primary, that was -- >> hillary clinton state. exactly right. ohio, same thing. these are states where rural voters, culturally conservative but democrat, the reagan democrats, they were the last people to come around, many didn't come around, frankly, to barack obama in the long run. so in pennsylvania, would you see a very similar thing, you see his approval numbers lower than his disapproval numbers overall. you see the republican candidate and the democratic candidate for senate running very close. there's a lot of states like this, ohio is another we mentioned, that has a very
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competitive senate race. how do these candidates embrace him? robin carnahan in missouri had a fund-raiser with him. everybody wants the money the president can raise but they don't want to be linked with the president. roy blunt, up against ms. carnahan, essentially calling her a rubber stamp for his agenda. so you really have to balance t do you want the money, do you want the association? >> you look at pennsylvania that is where in the pennsylvania 12, the candidate successfully brought in bill clinton, not barack obama, during that election. >> and ran, frankly, against most of the agenda approved by democratic congress. the white house says, well, the candidate who won, he didn't run against repeal. he said he didn't favor repel of the health care bill, that is very different than supporting the health care bill so they tried to claim it as a win for their agenda. i think it's a worrisome sign when you see numbers like this that said, candidate does matter, campaign these run do matter but the overall national environment matters.
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>> too >> haven't paid enough attention, i think, to ohio. >> i think we don't pay much we attention to it in the past couple of years, yeah. >> but not so far this year. that's shaping up to be a really good race. >> a really interesting race. you have the former congressman, as well as the u.s. tape rep, a guy named rob portman running against democrat lee fisher. the problem for fisher, he has lost several communications people. never a good sign. he has a million dollars in the bank. rob portman has $9 million in the bank. you add this to the national environment where the president coming in is not as huge a positive as it was in 2008 and it's a real problem for democrats hoping to hold on to the senate. >> now that you're here, i'm going to make sure you stick around. stay with me and chris cillizza and be sure to follow me online
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so what political story will be making headlines in the next 24 hours? chris cillizza author of post and author of the fix, still with us. we're talking about day 100. >> day 100 of the oil spill. for the first 90 days it looked like it was running out of control from the obama white house. in november we may not know this until the president is up for election in november 2012. how much political damage did he sustain? this is something that went on, that now sort of famous image of the pipe spewing oil. how badly did that shake the
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confidence of what obama ran on. >> he's running again and he's running to raise money and we're going to see him at two fund-raisers in new york tonight. one anna winter, the great vogue editor. another at the four seasons there. but his dis'ing the wall street connections, the people who are hosting fund-raisers in the past are not part of this. >> the question is do they come back in 2012 because they agree with barack obama a lot more than they agree with whoever the republican nominee is, do they want to be part of it in 2012. >> a lot to be chewed over, come again. >> i will, any time, i'm thrilled. >> and that does it for us for chris cillizza, and remember you can follow the show online and on twitter. tamron hall takes over now. oh, new phillips' colon health probiotic plus fiber.
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i'm tamron hall, right now on msnbc news live, any minute now white house press secretary robert gibbs will speak to reporters. we'll talk about the political fallout from the leak of over 90,000 secret military documents. we're waiting on gibbs to start his latest press briefing. and what is next for bp? after the embattled ceo tony hayward gets the boot, as soon as robert gibbs starts talking we'll bring you his briefing live. president obama publicly addressed that military leak of over 90,000 documents for the first time this afternoon. the president saying that the reports are old news. >> while i'm concerned about the disclosure of sensitive information from the battlefield that could potentially jeopardize individuals or


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